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Mailbag! Best Beginner Carbon Plate, Boston 12 vs. Everything, Is Icing Good? and Discontinued Shoes We Want Back
Doctors of Running Podcast, Episode 156

Time for another mailbag show. You asked, and we answered. On this episode, Nathan and Matt field listener questions about shoes, biomechanics, and more. Tune in for a couple shoe comparisons: the Boston 12 against several other similar options, and the Endorphin Elite vs. the Vaporfly 3. They also take a look at stability & asymmetry in running mechanics, the latest research on icing for recovery, "beginner" carbon-plate shoes, and even more. Be sure to stick around to the end where they discuss what old running shoe lines they'd want to see resurrected. 

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0:00 - Intro 
3:48 - Asics Magic Speed 3 vs. Adidas Boston 12 vs. Hoka Mach X 
11:26 - Assessing stability needs in children 
14:58 - Asymmetrical stability needs 
21:34 - Shoe recommendations for transitioning to carbon-plated shoes 
27:57 - Saucony Endorphin Elite vs. Nike Vaporfly 
36:46 - Shoe suggestions for middle school cross country 
47:26 - What's the current science on icing post-run? 
55:28 - Recommendations for replacing the Nike Pegasus Turbo 2 
1:03:01 - What discontinued shoe lines do you want to see make a comeback? 
1:13:06 - Wrap-up

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