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Kara Goucher on Living with Dystonia, the Nike Oregon Project and Protecting Female Athletes
Doctors of Running Podcast, Episode 184

On this episode, Matt & Andrea have the privilege of interviewing Olympian Kara Goucher. Kara's just released her book, the Longest Race, Inside the Secret World of Abuse, Doping, and Deception on Nike's Elite Running Team. They cover many facets of Kara's story, from her current struggles with runner's dystonia to her integral part in exposing the Nike Oregon Project and Alberto Salazar. They also discuss how excel at any fitness level, finding joy in running by feel, and encouraging female runners of all ages.


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0:00: - Intro 
2:16: - If you could change one thing about the sport of running, what would it be? 
16:09: - How to find your own excellence level 
20:34: - Kara's runners dystonia diagnosis 
32:02: - How shoe choice effects dystonia 
40:17: - Learning to live & train with dystonia 
44:50: - Kara's new book 
49:09: - The impacts of Kara's testimony about the Nike Oregon Project 
53:44: - The role of SafeSport in protecting athletes 
1:00:51: - Improving female athlete's health as they grow and age 
1:12:12: - Wrap-up


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About Kara

Kara Goucher is a three-time NCAA champion, two-time Olympian, winner of the silver medal at the 2007 World Championships in the 10,000 meters, and a podium finisher at the Boston and New York Marathons. She is a running analyst for NBC Sports. She cohosts the hit running commentary podcast Nobody Asked Us with Des & Kara, as well as the Clean Sport Collective podcast, promoting fair play in sports. She lives in Boulder, Colorado, with her Olympic-runner husband, Adam, and their son, Colt. Her website is

Her book The Longest Race is out now on paperback! Find it here:

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