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Nike Vomero 17 Review (2023)


Nike Vomero 17 Review: Excitingly Predictable
By Matthew Klein, David Salas, and Andrea Myers

The Nike Vomero 17 has always been the premium daily trainer for the company for many years. It has not always been a consistent shoe, with massive changes, swings, ups and downs over the years. There was even a time when we were concerned that the Vomero line had been continued. Like the mileage and endurance shoe that it is, despite everything, the Vomero continues on stronger than ever. As it really returns to the market, Nike has made some big updates in the 17. The Vomero now uses a top layer of Zoom X midsole to give a bouncy and cushioned ride, providing a more premium shoe than any prior Vomero. 

Nike Vomero 17
Price: $159.95 at Running Warehouse
Weight: 10.1 oz, g (men's size 9), 8.5 oz, g  (women's size 8)
Stack Height: 39 mm / 29 mm
Drop: 10 mm 
Classification: Premium Neutral Cushioned Daily Training Shoe 



RUNNING SHOE SUMMARY

Matt: The Nike Vomero 17 is a premium neutral daily training shoe for easy and daily mileage. A brand new upper provides a lower volume front and a normal volume rear, providing a secure cushioned fit. A top layer of ZoomX found adds bounciness to the consistent feeling Cushlon, making it feel great for easy mileage. The Vomero 17 finally returns to the market as the same, neutral, trust-worthy, highly cushioned shoe for eating up miles, albeit with some solid upgrades that brings it into the current premium daily training line-up. 

David: The Nike Vomero is a true neutral daily training shoe. The shoe feels in the likes of the Nike Pegasus, Saucony Ride, and On Cloudgo type offerings, but with more cushioning and a more premium feel. The shoe has a plush engineered mesh that feels comfortable around the foot. The shoe also introduces ZoomX foam as the top layer of the midsole to give a softer and bouncier feel to the shoe. The result is a shoe that is boring and exciting in the best ways for daily training.

Andrea:
The Nike Vomero 17 is a neutral daily trainer with a plush step in feel and a steady ride. It almost felt like a casual shoe when I first put it on because of the thicker upper and stiff midsole. I like the combination of the slightly bouncy ZoomX top layer and firmer Cushlon bottom layer for easy miles. The Vomero 17 will be a nice option for runners looking for a higher drop, neutral ride with protective and slightly bouncy cushioning.

SIMILAR SHOES
: ASICS Nimbus 25, Saucony Triumph 21


FIT

Matt:  The Nike Vomero 17 fits me true to size in my normal men's US size 10. The shoe feels slightly long midsole wise but the upper fits true. The width is fairly normal although the toe box volume sits low across the top of the foot. The midfoot also fits normal in width and features a thicker, gusseted tongue. The tongue is slightly short, so adjusting the laces to not have them slip up and cut into my foot was an additional task at the beginning of each run. The heel fits normal width-wise with a large amount of heel collar cushioning. There is a moderately stiff heel counter in the rearfoot that did not bother me due to the roundedness and the additional padding. Those sensitive to them should still approach with caution and those who like them will be quite happy with the counter in the Vomero 17. The security was fairly normal. I did not have any slippage issues and did not have to lace lock the upper. Turning was fine and even at uptempo paces they stay on. While the innermost aspect of the upper is comfortable, I would highly suggest wearing socks due to some exposed knitting around the tongue. 

David: The Nike Vomero 17 fits true to size in my Men's 9.5. The length may be a tad long, though not overly so. The width is normal through the heel, midfoot, and forefoot. Nothing is overly wide or narrow. The tongue is padded well and lets you lock the shoe down well. The lacing system has slits throughout to give a little bit more of a wrap on the foot when locking down. There is a heel counter that is padded pretty well. The upper integrates with some Zoom X sidewalls around the medial, lateral, and to some degree posterior aspect of the heel. The integration is done well and you certainly feel secured in a soft bucket like configuration. The engineered mesh is really comfortable throughout. It has a small amount of stretch, but does hold its structure well. Volume is normal throughout and there is enough for swelling accommodation. The fit is definitely that of a normal daily running shoe with some bells and whistles. The one thing I did notice was that tongue placement did need some consideration. The final slit in the lacing system can dig in the dorsal lateral aspect of the ankle if the tongue is not pulled over just enough before locking the shoe down. Otherwise the upper is really nice.

Andrea:
The Nike Vomero 17 fits true to size in my usual women's 9.5. I have a full thumb's width from the front of my big to to the end of the shoe, and there is sufficient width and volume in the toe box that I did not experience any discomfort at my 1st or 5th MTPs. The engineered mesh upper has a lot of structure from multiple overlays, and the upper does a nice job of staying away from the foot and not creating any hot spots. The width of the midfoot and rearfoot are normal and I did not experience any heel slippage. The tongue is partially gusseted and stays perfectly in place, thanks to the structure of the upper. The feature that I liked most about the Vomero 17 are the sidewalls in the rearfoot, which felt like they were custom designed for the shape of my heel. My foot felt perfectly secure the instant I put it on my foot. Like David, I also experienced some irritation on the dorsum of my ankle from the last row of laces, but once I got the lacing dialed in I did not experience this issue. The laces on my pair are very smooth, and despite double knotting, they came untied on almost every run that I did. I will definitely be replacing the laces before I do any additional runs in the shoe. 


PERFORMANCE

Matt: The Nike Vomero 17 is a well-cushioned, daily training shoe for easy mileage. I don't know how else to say this, but this is the first time the Vomero has felt like a Vomero in years. It comes off as a traditional, neutral daily training shoe with a decent amount of bounce and a higher heel drop. The ZoomX foam is noticeable underfoot especially in the rearfoot but is balanced out by the lower layer of Cushlon. This provides a moderately bouncy and controlled ride. The heel bevel is large and centered. This makes for easy transitions at heel contact. The higher drop is noticeable and makes the heel feel slightly chunky but in a more traditional sense. This transitions quickly through the midfoot into a slightly stiff forefoot. The forefoot rocker is more anterior and short, which makes the Vomero feel slightly long. This has only been noticeable to me the first few miles and the sensation goes away for most of the run. This adds to the fact that the ride feels rockered in the heel but more traditional in the front.

Purpose-wise, the Vomero 17 is best for daily, easy and recovery miles. While 10 oz is on the lighter side for this category, the ZoomX and Cushlon work best at slower paces. The foams and larger heel encourage a slow, consistent cadence. It is not a snappy sole like a racer, but a comfortable one for getting miles on your legs. It can handle some uptempo paces, but the foam combination and geometry feel sloppy with anything faster. Durability-wise, the Vomero 17 is definitely a workhorse. I have 60 miles on my pair and there is almost no wear on the outsole rubber. Thus, I expect a ton of miles out of this shoe, which is great for something you want to put a ton of distance on. 

David: I am not sure what I was expecting with the Vomero but I was quite pleasantly surprised. The shoe immediately came off like a traditional neutral trainer with a noticeable addition of cushion and bounce. The shoe feels close to a Nike Pegasus or Saucony Ride with a softer landing and bouncier toe off. The shoe uses a top layer of ZoomX foam to soften the initial contact and give some propulsion at toe off. The bottom layer is Cushlon foam and does do a good job of keeping the shoes structure underfoot. The geometry of the shoe comes off as a very traditional neutral training shoe.

The shoe hugs the foot well and you feel secure throughout the gait cycle. The medial and lateral sidewalls in the heel are noticeable and have the right amount of guidance and give to the foam. The shoe's platform is normal width in the heel and forefoot, but does have a slightly narrow midfoot. The sidewalls help balance that out and give a neutral feel. The transitions feel like a normal moderate to high drop training shoe with a tad more give to the foam. The forefoot is moderately flexible under load but still maintains some rigidity. The outsole patterns uses small lugs which do seem to help when running in dirt or grass. The heel bevel on the Vomero is done really well and the transitions feel really balanced throughout. There is not a high stack rockered feel to this shoe. Rather this has a traditional feel with a little flexibility up front and a bouncy toe off. The shoe does feel best at daily paces but can pick the pace up a little bit if you want to. 

This is my go to workhorse mileage shoe right now. I put nearly 50 miles on it in my first week running with it. This takes a lot of the traditional elements I liked in shoes like the Saucony Ride and added some premium touches with good sidewalls, Zoom X, and slight sole flaring. Those that like traditional neutral mechanics will find this to be a fun shoe to run in. It is certainly one that I keep reaching for at the moment.

Andrea:
I had never run in a Vomero before, so I had no expectations going into testing this shoe. Like most Nike trainers, I found that the midsole of the Vomero 17 needed about 20 miles to break in. Prior to breaking in, the forefoot felt slappy and I felt like I had to figure out the right way to run in the shoe. After putting 20 miles on the shoe, it felt like the forefoot broke in and became a little more flexible, which made it feel more natural for my mechanics. This is a firmer riding shoe, which I prefer for easy miles, and the combination of Cushlon and ZoomX gives the shoe the right degree of firmness with just a little bounce to soften the ride. At 8.5oz for a women's size 8, the Vomero 17 is definitely not light weight, but also does not feel heavy when running. It is definitely a solid riding shoe that can handle a ton of easy miles.

The nicely designed heel bevel makes the shoe feel a little less than its stated 10mm drop, and I never felt like the heel got in the way of midfoot landings, even when running slowly. The relatively late forefoot rocker is barely noticeable, contributing to a very neutral feeling ride. The stiffness of the sole and the well designed sidewalls in the rearfoot also contribute to a secure, moderately stable ride. This is not a stability shoe or even a stable neutral shoe, but the structured upper and the stiff sole makes it feel a little easier to keep moving forward.

The outsole has nearly complete rubber coverage with small lugs, which provide excellent traction on wet roads or on dirt. I have 35 miles on my pair and there is no visible wear on the outsole. I would expect higher than average durability for this shoe.



STABILITY

Matt: The Nike Vomceo 17 is a neutral daily training shoe. There are no traditional elements of stability. However, there are large sidewalls of ZoomX at the medial and lateral heels. This does a great job of offsetting the almost extremely narrow midfoot just enough to create a neutral and not unstable ride. The mild sole flaring in the forefoot and heel add to a more centered ride at each of these areas. However, none of the elements are enough to make this a stable neutral shoe, keeping the Vomero 17 in the normal neutral category. This is particularly good for those sensitive to any stability elements or those who just need a tiny bit of centered guidance at the rearfoot. 

David: The Nike Vomero 17 is definitely a neutral shoe. There are some things that help give it some stability elements, but that helps with stabilizing the unstable parts of the shoe. The first thing to note is the platform of the shoe. It is a very normal width platform with a surprisingly narrow midfoot. The Zoom X sidewalls expand a decent amount wider than the outsole and footbed itself. With that noted, Nike did do a great job of balancing that. Though the shoe uses ZoomX as its top layer, the sidewalls are noticeable. They give you just enough of a hold and a little guidance while still having some give to the material and keeping the shoe neutral in nature. The sole flaring in the forefoot is also done pretty well and help with stabilizing a relatively unstable part of the shoe (more ZoomX). The outsole has pretty good traction underfoot and has helped in a good variety of footing.  The upper has good lockdown and the security is pretty trustworthy as well. Though there are some elements here to help with the stability, again, this is a very neutral shoe.

Andrea: The Nike Vomero 17 is a neutral shoe, but its excellent fit and high longitudinal bending stiffness contribute to its solid, secure ride. The rearfoot sidewalls fit my heel better than almost any other shoe I have tested, making the shoe feel almost one with my foot, but of course this is a personal finding, and not everyone will experience the same fit as I did. The high longitudinal bending stiffness mildly encourages forward motion. Beyond these two features, the shoe has an overall narrow rearfoot and midfoot, with mild sole flaring and muted rockers, which keep the shoe solidly in the neutral category. 


Thoughts as a DPT: The Use of Superfoams in Daily Training Shoes
By Matthew Klein

The integration of superfoams into training shoes is not new. Nike alone has had the Pegasus Turbo (the new nature one does not count) and most recently the Invincible series. Saucony has the Tempus with a super foam center and outer EVA rim/wall. ASICS has the Superblast. Several "super trainers" now exist on the market that include a super foam, traditional foam and a plate, examples being the Hoka Mach X, Adidas Boston 12, Saucony Kinvara Pro, Saucony Speed 3. It was only a matter of time before we saw these foams integrated into premium daily trainers as companies seek to upgrade there shoes with the newest foams. This is NOT the first time something like this has happened, as the integration of EVA foams and TPU foams (Boost) saw similar takeovers either the industry or a branch as they become more available.

For those concerned about what biomechanical impacts may occur with the integration of these new foams, we are still not completely sure of the impacts on the human body and even the biomechanical mechanisms of improvement with super shoe use (Nigg et al., 2022). The majority of research has focused on super foams combined with plates but not on super foams alone. However, we do know that while plates seem to have a larger impact on running economy at higher speeds, it is the super foams that play the biggest part in economy improvements (Healey & Hoogkamer, 2022). Thus, there is evidence that in slower running/slower runners, the foams may have a much larger benefit (Dominy & Joubert, 2022; Nigg et al., 2021; Ortega et al., 2021). Thus, of all shoes to integrate super foams into while leaving plates out, premium daily training shoes for easy miles and paces makes the most sense.

The benefit of this is that transitioning between super shoes and trainers will now be less drastic. We at Doctors of Running have not advocated avoiding any shoe type, but rather have a variety to ensure that when you transition to something new, that new stimulus may not be as drastic. The transition between a super shoe and a training shoe will now be less drastic given both will have at least some of the same foam. However, with softer, higher stack and more resilient foams in normal shoes, attempting to transition to a more minimalist shoe will now be more extreme. Softer more resilient foams do tend to cause additional stiffening of the lower extremity and more work out of the intrinsic stabilizing muscles, particularly those of the ankle and hip (Kumala et al., 2018). This can actually increase loading rates in some people, although we do not have as much evidence with PEBAX or super shoe-based foams. 

So to be clear, there is not enough evidence for us to say that the use of super foams in normal daily trainers is good or bad. Runners need to know the more used to a super stack, super foam shoe they get, the more time it will take to transition into something that doesn't have those features if they want to. This is a completely natural progression in footwear development. As better foams become available, it only makes sense to integrate them more. The Vomero 17 does a great job of integrating both new and somewhat traditional foam into what many people will perceive as a more bouncy but still fairly normal premium daily training shoe. 

References:

Dominy, T. A., & Joubert, D. P. (2022). Effects of a Carbon-Plated Racing Shoe on Running Economy at Slower Running Speeds. In International Journal of Exercise Science: Conference Proceedings (Vol. 2, No. 14, p. 15).

Healey, L. A., & Hoogkamer, W. (2022). Longitudinal bending stiffness does not affect running economy in Nike Vaporfly shoes. Journal of sport and health science11(3), 285-292.

Kulmala, J. P., Kosonen, J., Nurminen, J., & Avela, J. (2018). Running in highly cushioned shoes increases leg stiffness and amplifies impact loading. Scientific reports8(1), 17496.

Nigg, B. M., Cigoja, S., & Nigg, S. R. (2021). Teeter-totter effect: a new mechanism to understand shoe-related improvements in long-distance running. British Journal of Sports Medicine55(9), 462-463.

Nigg, B. M., Subramanium, A., & Matijevich, E. S. (2022). Towards a biomechanical understanding of performance improvement with advanced running shoes. Footwear Science14(3), 133-137.

Ortega, J. A., Healey, L. A., Swinnen, W., & Hoogkamer, W. (2021). Energetics and biomechanics of running footwear with increased longitudinal bending stiffness: a narrative review. Sports Medicine51(5), 873-894.



RECOMMENDATIONS

Matt: The Vomero 17 has been a shoe I have really enjoyed using for daily miles. While not a stability shoe, it has been just stable enough for me with a little bounce for longer miles. The higher heel drop has been a nice break from all the low and zero drop I have been testing recently and the lower volume upper has been nice and secure. The Vomero finally feels like a Vomero again, coming out as a well-cushioned shoe for daily and long miles. However, I still have a major suggestion, which is to change the oddly long length. While the fit is absolutely fine, the shoe feels like the sole extends farther in front of the toe than necessary. This makes for a stiffer toe-off that could be smoother. I am not sure if this is from the forefoot rocker being a little too late or if there is just too much material ahead of the toes. Regardless, without changing the length of the fit, I would like to see that fixed.

David: I really enjoyed my time in the Nike Vomero 17. The only recommendation I really have for it is to make the top of the lacing system more comfortable. This is by far my favorite training shoe from Nike, but the first couple of times I put it on I had to figure out where to put the tongue. This was largely in part to prevent the top split in the lacing system from biting in the dorsal lateral part of my ankle. Once I got the sweet spot the shoe was totally fine and has become one of my favorite training shoes.

Andrea:
I have really enjoyed the fit and ride of the Vomero 17 and will definitely continue using it for easy days. My only recommendations would be to move the last row of laces a little further down on the foot to reduce ankle irritation and to use laces with better grip. I did not enjoy stopping to retie my shoes on almost all of my runs in the shoe. This issue may be unique to the colorway I received, as the laces that David and Matt had look different than mine.

WHO THIS SHOE IS FOR


Matt: The Nike Vomero 17 is for those who want a higher drop, well-cushioned, bouncy neutral training shoe for easy and recovery miles. The upper will work best for those with normal width and lower volume feet, especially in the forefoot. The ride will work best for those who want a higher drop combined with a rockered heel and a healthy balance of super and traditional foam. The durability will keep this shoe going for tons of miles, bringing the Vomero back as a true mileage shoe that saves the fast stuff for others. This is the first time the Vomero has felt like a Vomero in years and those familiar and new to the series will have many things to like. 

David: The Nike Vomero 17 is a daily running shoe for someone that loves a traditional neutral feel but wants more cushion and bounce to their running experience. The ZoomX gives a nice aspect of softness upon initial contact and loading response and bounciness at toe off. The Cushlon midsole helps keep some structure to the midsole upon landing. The shoe feels very traditional in design and is a textbook neutral training shoe. This is definitely a workhorse shoe to log miles in, but can turn it up a little if you need it to.

Andrea:
The Nike Vomero 17 is a neutral daily trainer for those who prefer a firmer, stiffer midsole. The ZoomX top layer softens the ride just enough to make it comfortable for easy miles while keeping the shoe far away from the marshmallow category. This shoe is a good value at $160, as it will have great durability thanks to its well designed outsole. While it is a 10mm drop shoe, the heel bevel made it perfectly comfortable for me as a midfoot striker. Runners without stability needs will find a lot to like in the Vomero 17.  


GRADING

Matt
Fit: A- (Lower volume fit with normal width up front. Thicker tongue, premium thicker upper in the midfoot/rearfoot that holds the foot well)
Performance: 
B+/A- (Rationale for grade)
Stability: B [Neutral] (Neutral shoe. Sidewalls in rearfoot balance out narrow midfoot, but still neutral)
DPT/Footwear Science: B+ (Excellent balance of ZoomX and Cushlon foam. Slightly long sole/late forefoot rocker does make front a little stiff. Overall solid progress forward)
Personal: A- (Despite being neutral, this has become a go to mileage shoe for me. The balanced ride and higher drop has been a great way to give my calves a break while still getting good mileage in).
Overall: B+ 

David
Fit: A- (Good dimensions throughout with very comfortable hold, though top eyelet and lacing system can pinch if tongue is not positioned right)
Performance: 
A (Very balanced transitions that feel good at daily paces. ZoomX adds liveliness to each step while Cushlon maintains the structure of the base foam.)
Stability: B (Very neutral shoe. Sidewalls and sole flaring help, but this is the definition of a neutral shoe.)
DPT/Footwear Science: A (Great integration of ZoomX into a training shoe. Using it as a top layer and sidewall make for a very balanced feel with a touch of liveliness.)
Personal: A (One of my go to shoes for logging mileage.)
Overall: A- (A very solid option in the max cushion/daily training category.)

Andrea

Fit: A- (One of the most comfortable shoes I have tested, but I give it an A- due to the placement of the laces at the ankle and the difficulty keeping the laces tied.)
Performance: 
A (I needed 20 miles to break this shoe in, similar to other Nike trainers. Very smooth and comfortable ride thanks to the ZoomX/Cushlon midsole combination.)
Stability: B (Neutral shoe. Very well done rearfoot sidewalls and high structure upper.)
DPT/Footwear Science: A (Nike is doing a great job using PEBA for more than just racing shoes and showcasing the different ways PEBA can be used in training shoes.)
Personal: A- (Love the fit, very comfortable ride after break in period/)
Overall: A- 


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Saucony Ride 16 - A light update that refines the daily trainer to its very best yet
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